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  <updated>2010-03-13T00:01:03Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>John Varela</name>
  <email>newla...@verizon.net</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-13T00:01:03Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.az/group/alt.english.usage/browse_thread/thread/f642361f779a94b9/119d084303d3ec5a?show_docid=119d084303d3ec5a</id>
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  <title type="text">Re: at Michigan</title>
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  You didn&#39;t by any chance know Sid Koslow (EE) or Tom Garceau (Aero)?
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  <author>
  <name>franzi</name>
  <email>et.in.arcadia.fra...@googlemail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T23:50:48Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: For crying out loud</title>
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  Her Royal Highness The Princess Royal (a bit too much royalty there, &lt;br&gt; Shirley) was famously reported to have told photographers to &#39;Naff &lt;br&gt; off&#39; when under stress while taking an unexpected dip in an equitative &lt;br&gt; (equitational?) water hazard. That&#39;s so not &#39;Fuck off&#39; that it can&#39;t &lt;br&gt; be anything else.
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  <author>
  <name>Peter Duncanson (BrE)</name>
  <email>m...@peterduncanson.net</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T23:46:16Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: For crying out loud</title>
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  On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:52:45 -0800 (PST), &amp;quot;sjdevn...@yahoo.com&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;Frag&amp;quot; is close to &amp;quot;frig&amp;quot;: &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/frig?view=uk&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; verb (frigged, frigging) vulgar slang &lt;br&gt; 1 have sexual intercourse with. &lt;br&gt; 2 masturbate. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt; ORIGIN originally in sense &amp;quot;move restlessly&amp;quot;, later &amp;quot;rub,
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  <name>franzi</name>
  <email>et.in.arcadia.fra...@googlemail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T23:41:44Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: For crying out loud</title>
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  English Jove rhymes with Hove, to brighten your day. &lt;br&gt; I&#39;ve forgotten exactly how Latin Iuppiter is declined, but the &lt;br&gt; genitive is Iovis, so presumably Iove is the ablative form. It occurs &lt;br&gt; to me that Iove and Yahweh can sound quite similar. One of those &lt;br&gt; tempting coincidences that mean nothing, I suspect.
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  <name>sjdevnull@yahoo.com</name>
  <email>sjdevn...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T22:52:45Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: For crying out loud</title>
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  &amp;quot;Frag&amp;quot; is also used in Babylon 5, Shadowrun, Farscape, etc. It&#39;s a &lt;br&gt; fairly standard sci-fi euphemism. &lt;br&gt; I always associated it with the military slang &amp;quot;frag&amp;quot; (from &lt;br&gt; fragmentation grenade), but I don&#39;t know if they&#39;re actually related &lt;br&gt; etymologically.
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  <name>Patok</name>
  <email>crazy.div.pa...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T22:50:36Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: For crying out loud</title>
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  Don&#39;t know about the comic, but the Battlestar term is &amp;quot;frak&amp;quot;.
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  <name>mm</name>
  <email>nopsammm2...@bigfoot.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T22:46:18Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Cooking with gas</title>
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  On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:00:28 +0000, Alasdair &amp;lt;m...@bobaxter.coo.uk&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; My father, in Pennsylvania, named after the British subject William &lt;br&gt; Penn, born in 1892, used to say, &amp;quot;Now you&#39;re cooking with gas&amp;quot;. &lt;br&gt; Because yes, a gas stove or oven in an improvement over coke or &lt;br&gt; charcoal or coal or wood. It&#39;s faster, easier, cleaner, and better.
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  <name>mm</name>
  <email>nopsammm2...@bigfoot.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T22:39:52Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: &quot;The Late&quot;</title>
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  On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:02:00 -0500, Bill McCray &lt;br&gt; But there are a whole bunch of people who have more than one SSN. &lt;br&gt; Also a whole bunch of people whose SSN is all zeroes. &lt;br&gt; Hard to believe but I have it on good authority. &lt;br&gt; I don&#39;t blame you for not wanting to have my name determined by &lt;br&gt; someone else, even after we are 10 years old.
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  <name>Bill McCray</name>
  <email>billmcc...@mindspring.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T22:36:21Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: &quot;The Late&quot;</title>
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  We never lived in the same state after 1952, and he died in 1969. &lt;br&gt; Bill in Kentucky
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  <name>Default User</name>
  <email>defaultuse...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T22:18:23Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: For crying out loud</title>
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  And of course Farscape&#39;s &amp;quot;frell&amp;quot;. &lt;br&gt; Brian
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  <name>Cece</name>
  <email>ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T22:01:58Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: &quot;The Late&quot;</title>
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  But there is the social scene! Especially if you two are in the same &lt;br&gt; town. See Post. Or Manners.
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  <name>Patok</name>
  <email>crazy.div.pa...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T22:01:08Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: For crying out loud</title>
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  Interesting, thanks. I had not heard any of these. There&#39;s a &lt;br&gt; related phrase in Eastern Europe, that hasn&#39;t made it accross into &lt;br&gt; English. It is &amp;quot;bird&#39;s milk&amp;quot;, and means something rare and hard to &lt;br&gt; obtain. For instance, if one were to say that a grocery sells bird&#39;s &lt;br&gt; milk, it would mean that the store carries every product that one can
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  <name>Cece</name>
  <email>ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T22:00:19Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Cooking with gas</title>
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  On Mar 12, 1:41 pm, &amp;quot;Peter Duncanson (BrE)&amp;quot; &amp;lt;m...@peterduncanson.net&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; Or coal. Those huge black iron things that had to be thoroughly &lt;br&gt; cleaned every day and have &amp;quot;blacking&amp;quot; applied? One very old cookbook &lt;br&gt; I&#39;ve seen begins a recipe for one breakfast item: &amp;quot;When you light the &lt;br&gt; stove, two hours before breakfast...&amp;quot; It took quite a while for the
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  <name>Cece</name>
  <email>ceceliaarmstr...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-12T21:56:05Z</updated>
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  Now where did I read that the name was originally Yehoshua, that &lt;br&gt; Yoshua is the earlier Hebrew shortening and Yeshua the later Aramaic &lt;br&gt; shortening? Was it a good source?
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